Miss Lynx ([info]misslynx) wrote,
@ 2005-01-06 00:57:00
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Current mood: worried
Current music:The Soil Bleeds Black - Away

Livejournal sold!
For anyone who hasn't heard, Livejournal was just bought by Six Apart, the company that makes the Moveable Type blog software.

The news post assures us that nothing substantial will change, but I have my doubts. Moveable Type is a proprietary, commercial project, not open source like the Livejournal code is, and my impression is that Six Apart is a lot more profit-driven than Danga, the company that started and up to now now owned LJ.

Within a few days we'll all be required to agree to the new terms of service in order to log in or post, and while they say the new TOS is not significantly different, and that it's not going to be a replay of what happened when Yahoo bought GeoCities. I don't know, maybe it won't be. But I can't say I'm not worried. I can't think of any case in Internet history where a bigger, more profit-driven company has bought out a smaller, more community-focussed one and things haven't gone completely to shit inside of a year.


At the very least, I'm guessing we can expect free journals to start sporting ads sometime soon. Livejournal has always said they reserved the right to eventually do that if finances required it, but thus far they've held off. But I can't expect a bigger, more aggressively profit-driven company to want to host a bunch of free journals they receive no financial benefit from. They're not running a charity; they're going to want something back. It's understandable from a business perspective, but sucks from an end-user perspective.

Not that I mind, in principle, shelling out for a paid account to keep ads away. I've been doing it for a fair bit of the time I've been with LJ, just as a sort of preventive insurance. I don't have a paid account right now, but that's only because money's been tight since my last paid one lapsed. I was intending to renew again once I could. Now, I'm not so sure. I guess I'll wait a while and see how things go.

If they do axe the free accounts or plaster ads all over them, I could always stay with a paid one, but I worry about the impact on the overall sense of community here. I mean, if I just wanted to keep my own online journal and nothing else, I could do it on my own domain. Ironically enough, I just installed WordPress, a PHP-based, open source weblog program. Not to replace this journal, but to track site updates and post interesting news items from time to time. But if I wanted to I could run my own journal there. There are even third party tools out there to import Livejournals into WordPress.

But what I would be missing is all the community interaction. People would be able to come to my site and comment on my journal, and if some of my friends set up their own journals on their sites, using WordPress or Nucleus or Moveable Type or any of the other options, I could do the same, but having my friends' journals scattered all across the internet on many different sites doesn't exactly encourage easy and frequent visiting the way having them all on one page here does. And then there's all the community journals...

I know, there are other journalling sites out there like Deadjournal and GreatestJournal and what not that use the same basic structure and in many cases the same code as LJ, but if LJ does go downhill, it's not likely that everyone will go to the same place. Individuals and small groups will be able to keep on journalling in many different places, but the cohesive community we have here will cease to exist.

But of course, it hasn't happened yet, so this is all probably a bit premature. Maybe Six Apart won't fuck things up too badly. I don't know. Past experience with similar buyouts has led me to expect the worst so I won't be disappointed, but there's no point in panicking now. I guess we all just have to wait and see what happens...



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In a word
[info]stardragonca
2005-01-06 08:33 am UTC (link)
Gah!

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*sigh*
[info]kitarifox
2005-01-06 09:27 am UTC (link)
I'm worried about this too, there are a lot of people who only use lj because its free and has a better community base than its clones, thats bound to change if the service is axed. All we can do is keep our fingers crossed and pray to Frank the goat.

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praying to Frank the goat
[info]stardragonca
2005-01-06 04:02 pm UTC (link)
I knew it was going to come to this!

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[info]jenett
2005-01-06 12:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm fairly hopeful (partly because I know [info]rahaeli well, and she's very excited about this.

She's said no banner ads (and by which I'm guessing no pop-ups, because Brad's always been even more violently opposed to those)

Personally, given her feelings, and given what I've seen so far, I'm more than willing to give it a chance. Not to say it might not be worth making sure my journal's fully backed up (which I've gotten lazy about) and all that. But I'm hopeful this is going to be a good thing.

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[info]phaedra_lari
2005-01-06 02:44 pm UTC (link)
What is the easiest way to back up your journal?

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[info]jenett
2005-01-06 03:02 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=8 talks about the export journal tool - note that this won't save comments, only the entries themselves.

You can also use the calendar view to save individual pages (which will save the comments) and some of the client programs also have backup methods. I don't know about those, though, since I use the web form to update myself.

I think there've also been a few non-official code tricks and external programs - these are strictly use at your own risk, they may break.

I don't recall any off the top of my head, but if you're curious, I'd suggest exploring [info]lj_nifty's memories (you can go to the comm, and click on the lines under the "links" box - I see several on journal backup under the "Off-site tools" category. It does look (based on some quick skimming I just did) that most of them are for Windows (and as I use a Mac, I haven't tested them.)

However, stuff in lj_nifty has, as a whole, been pretty thoroughly tested - if you carefully read any comments from entries there, understand your own system, etc. you should be ok.

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[info]misslynx
2005-01-06 06:43 pm UTC (link)
There's a service at http://www.ljbook.com that will turn your entire journal, including comments, into a PDF e-book. You can specify individual years if you want, and decide what elements to include/exclude (moods, music, private entries, etc.). it's free but they welcome donations. That's the easiest way to back it up in a readable format.

There's also a service at http://fawx.com/ljArchive/ that will archive it as XML the way LJ exports it, but en masse rather than month by month. That approach is best if you want to import it into another blog program of some sort, like WordPress which I mentioned above. Possibly some of the LJ clones out there would allow importing it from that format too, I don't know.

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[info]phaedra_lari
2005-01-06 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Thank you both!

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[info]misslynx
2005-01-06 06:37 pm UTC (link)
I think it is possible some people are overreacting - I know the privacy concerns are based on past experience from when Yahoo bought GeoCities, but even Yahoo backed down on that one eventually, and the announcements on both LJ and SA's sites said they were not intending to do anything like that. But the new Terms of Service will be up within a few days, and I suggest we all read them re-e-e-a-a-ally carefully before clicking the "I Agree" button, just in case.

I don't know - it's a weird situation. I'm certainly worried based on other buyouts I've seen in the past that things will change, but I don't want to hit the panic button prematurely, and I've seen a lot of people doing that. I do think that it's a good idea for people to back up their journals before the new TOS are released, just in case, and to be aware of other options in case things go bad, but on the whole I'm kind of taking a wait-and-see attitude.

One thing that's interesting is that it looks like a lot of people weren't aware that Livejournal was a for-profit corporation from the beginning. One of the people quoted in that article made a comment about "once something becomes a corporation", but that's what it always was. Some other people, in the comments made on the original announcement in [info]news, were asking things like whether volunteers would get paid for all the time they'd put in up until now or accusing Brad of selling them to Six Apart, but they were volunteering for a for-profit company to start with! I'm not sure how many of them were aware of that... Danga may not have been all that profit-focussed, and it had a strong community feeling, but it was still a corporation. That part hasn't changed.

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[info]hematopoetic
2008-03-23 02:50 am UTC (link)
Times have changed, eh?

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